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	<title>Comments on: AGA 2008: Benito Tan: Aquatic Mosses</title>
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		<title>By: geoff</title>
		<link>http://www.guitarfish.org/2008/11/17/aga-2008-benito-tan-aquatic-mosses/comment-page-1#comment-2581</link>
		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elow sir...i just wanna ask about the mosses present in the philippines?? i would like to know about some species with antibacterial properties..thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elow sir&#8230;i just wanna ask about the mosses present in the philippines?? i would like to know about some species with antibacterial properties..thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry</title>
		<link>http://www.guitarfish.org/2008/11/17/aga-2008-benito-tan-aquatic-mosses/comment-page-1#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted much information (on research I had done on this species) and concluded it was the above but wasn&#039;t sure how it seemed arrested at the gametophyte stage (having grown ferns from spores and understanding the process). 

Anyway, message missing when I hit submit comment (maybe too much)? and took a long time to compile the original research for posting here so won&#039;t now.  

The research was in response to another forum member posting a photo and wondering what &quot;it&quot; was - fern, algae or liverwort?  (interesting links, beautiful photos - of all three and more,  so if any one interested I will just email entire post)


Süßwassertang. That means &quot;freshwater seaweed&quot; in German. 

I studied two years of German, but hadn&#039;t remembered much so asked my x.  He is Austrian and I asked what the word meant.  Mark, your thoughts on spelling and meaning are correct.  

He said actually the above spelling is correct - in translation it would more correctly be suesswassertang.  He said Süßwasser meant &quot;fresh water or sweet water&quot; and tang more like sea kelp, seaweed or that sea stuff (he has no interest in any of this, lol and was not 100% sure).  He looked up the word tang in his dictionary and tang means seaweed.  He said his native tongue is equally confusing to him, lol.

The research I did makes sense, since ferns are primitive plants as are these (hence the spores) and at some point many of them (liverworts, algaes and ferns) look similar, land or water, fresh or salt, even if not related at this point (the evolution of them would be interesting). 

(esp the usda files which post hundreds of photos - it is amazing the variety).

Best Sherry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted much information (on research I had done on this species) and concluded it was the above but wasn&#8217;t sure how it seemed arrested at the gametophyte stage (having grown ferns from spores and understanding the process). </p>
<p>Anyway, message missing when I hit submit comment (maybe too much)? and took a long time to compile the original research for posting here so won&#8217;t now.  </p>
<p>The research was in response to another forum member posting a photo and wondering what &#8220;it&#8221; was &#8211; fern, algae or liverwort?  (interesting links, beautiful photos &#8211; of all three and more,  so if any one interested I will just email entire post)</p>
<p>Süßwassertang. That means &#8220;freshwater seaweed&#8221; in German. </p>
<p>I studied two years of German, but hadn&#8217;t remembered much so asked my x.  He is Austrian and I asked what the word meant.  Mark, your thoughts on spelling and meaning are correct.  </p>
<p>He said actually the above spelling is correct &#8211; in translation it would more correctly be suesswassertang.  He said Süßwasser meant &#8220;fresh water or sweet water&#8221; and tang more like sea kelp, seaweed or that sea stuff (he has no interest in any of this, lol and was not 100% sure).  He looked up the word tang in his dictionary and tang means seaweed.  He said his native tongue is equally confusing to him, lol.</p>
<p>The research I did makes sense, since ferns are primitive plants as are these (hence the spores) and at some point many of them (liverworts, algaes and ferns) look similar, land or water, fresh or salt, even if not related at this point (the evolution of them would be interesting). </p>
<p>(esp the usda files which post hundreds of photos &#8211; it is amazing the variety).</p>
<p>Best Sherry</p>
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		<title>By: KeroKero/Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.guitarfish.org/2008/11/17/aga-2008-benito-tan-aquatic-mosses/comment-page-1#comment-2028</link>
		<dc:creator>KeroKero/Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah, very cool info on Susswassertang (killed mine, dammit!) and totally not what I was expecting. Interesting little glitch in evolution I guess (no one said evolution was always going the right way...). Just makes it more interesting to me that it was even found!

In response to Al, I&#039;m not sure why you want to grow it faster than usual but the idea is the same with all plants... optimal light, nutrients, and temps. Aquamoss.net has been a good resource for me. The indirect light bit probably has to do with direct light warming up water above the optimal range for the moss, but java can take pretty warm. I&#039;ve not found growing it emersed to be any faster, and once established the rate of growth had a lot to do with optimal light, nutrients, temps, and staying relatively wet. I&#039;d just recomend growing in in similar conditions as what you&#039;re eventually going to use it for, and just be patient!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah, very cool info on Susswassertang (killed mine, dammit!) and totally not what I was expecting. Interesting little glitch in evolution I guess (no one said evolution was always going the right way&#8230;). Just makes it more interesting to me that it was even found!</p>
<p>In response to Al, I&#8217;m not sure why you want to grow it faster than usual but the idea is the same with all plants&#8230; optimal light, nutrients, and temps. Aquamoss.net has been a good resource for me. The indirect light bit probably has to do with direct light warming up water above the optimal range for the moss, but java can take pretty warm. I&#8217;ve not found growing it emersed to be any faster, and once established the rate of growth had a lot to do with optimal light, nutrients, temps, and staying relatively wet. I&#8217;d just recomend growing in in similar conditions as what you&#8217;re eventually going to use it for, and just be patient!</p>
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		<title>By: guitarfish</title>
		<link>http://www.guitarfish.org/2008/11/17/aga-2008-benito-tan-aquatic-mosses/comment-page-1#comment-1977</link>
		<dc:creator>guitarfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you&#039;re right Mark. I spent a few years studying German myself, but was going by the name most seen in the hobby. I had always thought the translation was &quot;Fresh water seaweed,&quot; but I certainly would not bet my life on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#8217;re right Mark. I spent a few years studying German myself, but was going by the name most seen in the hobby. I had always thought the translation was &#8220;Fresh water seaweed,&#8221; but I certainly would not bet my life on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the correct spelling for that fern gametophyte is probably Susswassertang, not Subwassertang.  The Germans, who presumably were the first to bring this species into the hobby, use a letter for lower case double-s (ss) that looks like a capital B, but with an opening at the bottom; this causes a lot of confusion in translations.  The literal translation of &quot;Susswasser&quot; is &quot;sweet water&quot;, meaning fresh water (as opposed to salt or brackish water).  I&#039;m not sure what &quot;tang&quot; means; presumably it&#039;s the German name for some type of marine algae which the fern gametophyte superficially resembles.

It&#039;s been suggested to me that &quot;tang&quot; might mean &quot;fern&quot;, so that the name might actually be &quot;Subwassertang&quot;, which would then translate roughly as &quot;under-water-fern&quot;.  When I spent a year living in Germany, however, I frequently went hiking in the woods with German relatives of mine, and they referred to ferns (when asked) as &quot;farnen&quot; ... also, the more common German phrase for &quot;under water&quot; is &quot;Unterwasser&quot;, not &quot;Subwasser&quot; ... so I&#039;m sticking with &quot;Susswassertang&quot; as the correct spelling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the correct spelling for that fern gametophyte is probably Susswassertang, not Subwassertang.  The Germans, who presumably were the first to bring this species into the hobby, use a letter for lower case double-s (ss) that looks like a capital B, but with an opening at the bottom; this causes a lot of confusion in translations.  The literal translation of &#8220;Susswasser&#8221; is &#8220;sweet water&#8221;, meaning fresh water (as opposed to salt or brackish water).  I&#8217;m not sure what &#8220;tang&#8221; means; presumably it&#8217;s the German name for some type of marine algae which the fern gametophyte superficially resembles.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been suggested to me that &#8220;tang&#8221; might mean &#8220;fern&#8221;, so that the name might actually be &#8220;Subwassertang&#8221;, which would then translate roughly as &#8220;under-water-fern&#8221;.  When I spent a year living in Germany, however, I frequently went hiking in the woods with German relatives of mine, and they referred to ferns (when asked) as &#8220;farnen&#8221; &#8230; also, the more common German phrase for &#8220;under water&#8221; is &#8220;Unterwasser&#8221;, not &#8220;Subwasser&#8221; &#8230; so I&#8217;m sticking with &#8220;Susswassertang&#8221; as the correct spelling!</p>
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		<title>By: guitarfish</title>
		<link>http://www.guitarfish.org/2008/11/17/aga-2008-benito-tan-aquatic-mosses/comment-page-1#comment-1961</link>
		<dc:creator>guitarfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al, I can&#039;t say that I haven&#039;t tried all of these things (indirect light, cool water, or emersed), and I haven&#039;t directly compared multiple methods with Java Moss, so I can&#039;t give any conclusive advice. I will say that moss grows quite fast in all of my high-tech  tanks (high tank, high CO2, fertilization), and slower in the tanks without those things. I hope that helps out a little bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, I can&#8217;t say that I haven&#8217;t tried all of these things (indirect light, cool water, or emersed), and I haven&#8217;t directly compared multiple methods with Java Moss, so I can&#8217;t give any conclusive advice. I will say that moss grows quite fast in all of my high-tech  tanks (high tank, high CO2, fertilization), and slower in the tanks without those things. I hope that helps out a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to have a green thumb for aquatic plants. Do you know any methods of making java moss grow faster than usual, I&#039;ve heard of various methods such as indirect light, cool water, and co2 injection. I have also heard of growing it emersed and spraying it with water ever so often. Which method according to you would work best? 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to have a green thumb for aquatic plants. Do you know any methods of making java moss grow faster than usual, I&#8217;ve heard of various methods such as indirect light, cool water, and co2 injection. I have also heard of growing it emersed and spraying it with water ever so often. Which method according to you would work best? </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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